Time for Gallas to hand over the armband to Clichy
FORGET whether William Gallas was right or wrong to say what he did. No amount of arguing one way or the other will change anyone’s view.
The very fact he said it speaks volumes for the weakness of his captaincy.
I do not place blame squarely at his shoulders. But he is a problem and one that must be addressed.
The tantrum at Birmingham was one of the most over analysed thing ever. Equally, the captain’s armband has also become a sponge for criticism that could as justifiably been directed at the failures of perfectly grown-up colleagues.
He has also taken the blame for everything and the credit for nothing. Goals that have changed games have been totally ignored while goal saving tackles (see the penalty on Saturday) have been glossed over. Goals that have cost games have (rightly) been fully remarked upon.
But the truth remains he is not steering a steady ship and it is hard to see how with him at the helm it can be got back on course.
I think he should lose the captaincy and be sold in January. Beckham as just a player but not captain for England was feasible, Gallas as a non-Arsenal captain not so.
We need a fresh start. There are, patently, bad vibes circulating. Whether or not they are of Gallas’ making, his ability to cure them seems unlikely.
So where should the captaincy go? Cesc is one obvious choice. But I think it would just be one more thing to worry about.
I’d go for Gael Clichy, whose only obvious similarities to Gallas are the shaved head and Frenchness. Where Gallas is spikey and outspoken, Clichy is measured and calm.
But neither is he lacking in passion. Indeed, no player displays more fight.
He also appears to be a brilliant, unflappable professional whose attitude could surely only inspire those around him.
Inexperienced? Perhaps. But he is older and probably has more games behind him than when Tony Adams took on the armband. He also started playing premiership football for us over FIVE years ago.
I’d give it to Clichy and hope to draw a line under this era.
21 November 2008 at 9:41 am
I’d give it to Eboue
21 November 2008 at 9:42 am
Good shout Goodplaya.
Clichy will often speak out after poor performances, with constructive criticism and encouragement. He may be young, but he is one of only 2 players at the club who have won a champions medal with Arsenal. Remember when there were rumour that Juve and Roma were after him last season. He came straight out in the press and said he had no intention of leaving Arsenal and backed up his talk by signing a new contract soon after. He would be a worthy successor to Gallas.
Now if he could only cut out those occasional moments of madness.
21 November 2008 at 9:46 am
I’d give the captaincy to Bischoff and make Adebayor club captain
21 November 2008 at 9:47 am
Clichy is too clumsy. Every mistake he made proves fatal. It offsets all the good things he produces. I believe we are still suffering from his Tottenham mistake. Don’t forget, as much as we like to blame Gallas on Birmingham, it was Clichy’s clumsiness which lead to the penalty.
21 November 2008 at 9:50 am
I fail to understant why no one person sees the armband going to Rosicky. He is the perfect choice for us. He moves around the pitch so fine and sticks the ball in the opponents area.
I go for him….watch wenger selecting him.
21 November 2008 at 9:50 am
Have you guys forgot about me? I should be the successor, I am the co-captain afterall.
21 November 2008 at 9:53 am
Rosicky is too injured prone. Kolo my boy, you’ve lost you starting 11 position.
21 November 2008 at 10:01 am
Yick - everybody makes mistakes. Clichy’s have been brought into focus because they were last minutes and rightly disastrous, but we didn’t actually lose a game because of them.
If he was still here, my vote for captain would have gone to Swiss Tony.
Kolo, sorry, I think you’re great, but you haven’t been the same since the ANC.
21 November 2008 at 10:29 am
I worry about what it would do to Cesc if we give the armband to Clichy. He has stated that he’d like to lead the club.
21 November 2008 at 10:30 am
last saturday perfomance saysit all! I feel sorry for wenger; once again he is let down. best thing for wenger is to drop this trouble makers!!
21 November 2008 at 10:30 am
give it to clichy
21 November 2008 at 10:37 am
In all seriousness - appoint Cesc, Clichy or Almunia as a temporary captain until summer comes. Then bring back Big Phil and give it to him. Our best defensive runs have always come with him in the side, and remember that Kolo not Phil was to blame for our exit in the CL last year. Wenger even considered giving him the captaincy after Vieira.
21 November 2008 at 10:38 am
well said Fab 4.
21 November 2008 at 10:41 am
I think Gael should be the Captain as he is most loyal and NOT Cesc.
21 November 2008 at 10:45 am
whenever Gallas or Toure are not playing but Clichy is, the captaincy is still given to Almunia. That is where I think Wenger would give it if it weren’t Gallas. But I think Clichy deserves it more.
21 November 2008 at 10:49 am
fab4:’Clichy’s have been brought into focus because they were last minutes and rightly disastrous, but we didn’t actually lose a game because of them’…we lost to aston villa due to an own goal by him….we lost the title ‘arguably’ due to his mistake against birmigham…lets not forget the tottenham fiasco against jenas….and the own goal he ALMOST scored against manUre that would have surely given them the points…..his mistakes are costly and if gallas had many any of them every1 would have asked for his head!! in my opinion if you were to strip gallas of the captaincy the only logical thing to do is give it to the VICE captain which is kolo…..and promote cesc as vice but i dont even think clichy should be considered….a left back as a captain is just as stupid as putting a right back as captain!! and we’re not as stupid as manUre!!
21 November 2008 at 11:07 am
I really love Clichy as a player, but in my eyes he is no captain material. I don’t think he has the communication skills required. He has the attitude, but he is too silent. I really do not see anyone at the club, who could be our captain at the moment… Flamini could have done a job:)
21 November 2008 at 11:25 am
Agree on Flamini. Toure showed at Stoke why he never should wear the armband. Swap Gallas for Flamini come January and terminate Phil’s loan deal.
21 November 2008 at 11:29 am
Can’t see why you’d go to Clichy with it before Cesc. Yes there’s the lure of Catalunya and I’m sure he’ll go one day. But in the meantime he’s an inspirational player and a fighter in the centre of the park. He’s also a talker and appears to have some sense of the club’s history and traditions. He’s grown up a lot in the past few years - with a few slip ups here and there to which he’s entitled. And he’s responded over and above every time Arsene’s trusted him with more responsibility. He’s got a sense of duty to the club as well and taking on the captaincy might serve to postpone a move back to Barca for a season or two longer. Cesc every time. Can you see AW doing it though (God love him)? Cos that would mean him admitting he got it wrong giving it to Bill in the first place.
21 November 2008 at 12:08 pm
Not sure who should be captain, but certainly not Billy. However, with Wengers obstinance at admitting he is wrong and with the press/fans/ whole world calling for Gallas to lose the armband I wont be at all surprised if he keeps him. I always thought it was a terrible way for Gilberto to have found out about losingg the captaincy. It shows a distinct lack of sensitivity by Arsene to have done this.
21 November 2008 at 12:19 pm
Just like football matches so many of you look at the result and not the performance.
1) Against Birmingham it wasn’t a penalty. A mistake by Clichy? Yes, but one he recovered from, won the ball and the ref made a hash of it. We drew the game on the back of a referee who was itching to square up the red card for Dudu’s injury.
2) Against Spurs, sure his slip bought it back to 4-3. Anyone think we shouldn’t have won from there? I didn’t see Gael trying to pump corners into the box or thread eye of the needle passes in stoppage time instead of walking it into the corner. As much as I love Fab he may have been guilty of that.
3) That ball from Ashley Young was a great cross. Massively hard to deal with, many a defender would’ve turned it into his own net. What I’d like to know is why was it Clichy tracking Agbonlahor’s run and not a centre back? Surely Gabby was the responsibility of a Gallas or Sylvestre who is strong in the air. Poor old Gael was on a hiding to nothing.
Look, I’m not officially jumping on the “Clichy for captain”. bandwagon but the man is a quality, quality player who gives everything and I’m not even sure his “miscues” have been howlers. Fab does not need the responsibility of Captain at 21 when so much rests on his shoulders already and his form is at the very least suspect. He needs to be allowed to sort it out, not have more pressure dumped on him.
My solution? As much as I thought 3 years ago that Gallas was going to be a star for us and his signing brought me much excitement it just hasn’t happened according to plan. If you can get big money for “Big Willy” in January do it and give the arm band to Kolo. He could do with that sort of responsibility and it may rejuvinate him. Play him with Sylvestre or Djorou. We could do far worse right now.
21 November 2008 at 12:26 pm
And to all those Kolo bashers you don’t lose it overnight. A two time title winner, three time FA cup winner, an invincible, one half of a partnership that had as 5 points clear top of the league two-thirds through last season, the odd mistake lately doesn’t make him chopped liver. He’s only 27, get him a compatible partner and watch him come back into form. After all, it is form that is fleeting and class that is permanent. Kolo has class in abundance.
21 November 2008 at 12:26 pm
Great post. Gallas has been vilified to a comical degree but he still has to move on. Cesc cannot be made captain because what does Wenger do if Captain Cesc fails? Start afresh, make Clichy captain, and Cesc vice captain. And it has been said many a time but bares repeating. Clichy did NOT make a mistake at Birmingham. He made a brilliant tackle. The ref made the mistake.
21 November 2008 at 1:18 pm
Blakey - to be fair, Clichy did make a HUGE mistake at Birmingham, but as you rightly point out, he recovered to make the tackle, and was incorrectly penalised.
White Ox - you are adding medals to Kolo’s collection that he doesn’t have. Although he signed for us in Feb 2002, he did not make his debut until the Community Shield in August 2002, so he did not get a league or FA Cup winners medal when we won the double.
Kolo has not been the same since he came back from the ANC and since his bout of malaria. Considering it is not unknown for people to die from this illness, perhaps it is understandable that he has not been his old self recently. He also looks a lot chunkier than he used to.
21 November 2008 at 2:36 pm
To the people who say Clichy made a mistake against Villa, I say show me a player who has not scored a couple of those own goals and I will say he has not played. EVERY good defender does one of those every so often.
21 November 2008 at 2:36 pm
I’m upset with Gallas as anyone else. Regardless of the rightness of his comments about the squad, HE SHOULD NOT TALK TO THE PRESS ABOUT THIS STUFF. He should try to resolve all these problems with AW and his teammates behind closed doors.
But, I’d like to point some things out:
The thing that sticks out for me the most about Gallas as Arsenal captain is that, unlike his predecessors, Gallas has no one on the pitch to help him. There are no experienced vice captains to assist Gallas in guiding the young players. Adams had Bould, Dixon, Winterbourn and the calming influence of Paul Davis. Vieira had Lauren, Bergkamp, Campbell, Pires, Henry. Gallas has no one. I don’t see Kolo helping him much.
For me the blame rests entirely on AW. He’s built this young, inexperienced team and shorn it of older, experienced players. Cesc learned alongside Vieira, Pires, Henry, etc. These other kids are not learning alongside veterans like that. There’s only Kolo. So AW gave the captaincy to Gallas — a totally new player with no Arsenal pedigree at all, while Gilberto and Kolo are right there. Gallas had never been a captain, he had to learn on the job.
AW hands the captaincy to a player who’s totally new to the club and never had been captain before. Such a player is given the responsibility of leading a team of young kids all by himself.
Added to that is the thing that Gallas is entirely right about: these young players do not respect authority of older players; they do not have the fighting, winning mentality to win games; they’re arrogant well-paid kids with no experience of learning alongside strong, commanding personalities like Adams, Lauren and Vieira–players who commanded authority and who’d never tolerate the kind of insubordination and disrespect these kids give Gallas. Gallas doesn’t command their authority.
It’s been a very poor decision all-round on AW’s part, few players could win in such a situation. You need a very special character to lead all by yourself an arrogant, erratic bunch of talented kids like this. Who in the world could do the job?
Even if you take the armband away from Gallas, who in the squad is up to the job? I hear a lot of names bandied about but I don’t see anyone who’s strong enough to command authority and respect of his teammates.
21 November 2008 at 2:48 pm
I thought the posting below from the Guardian website was interesting.
gchild
Nov 20 08, 7:52pm (about 18 hours ago)
Actually I think all this criticism of Gallas is missing the point.
Gallas came to the Gunners from Chelski where he was playing in a winning team and joined a team that was supposed to compete for honours. Instead he has found himself at a club going nowhere fast, a club that is happy to rake in the cash and shortchange its fans with meaningless promises of a brighter future. He tells the manager and the players that they have to grow up and stop playing like schoolboys if they want to be champions and nobody listens.
He lost it at Birmingham because the loss of two points was criminal, the inevitable consequence of a flawed footballing philosophy, and showed that the team was not championship grade. Barca and Real do not try to pass out of their 18 with 2 mins left, they clear their lines. Every winning team does this.
If there were still champions like Adams, Keown, Vieira left in the team they would tank any player who made that type of mistake. I for one don’t blame him for losing it.
So why shouldn’t he speak in public? It is so much easier to just take the money and say nothing, I for one think he should be applauded for calling it the way it is.
The fact is that the gunners style of play is not amateurish. And frankly it is not Arsenal football. In the 02/03 season I remember Alan Smith writing in the telegraph about Arsenal and saying that the current team plays like Tottenham (or maybe Chelsea). Which was the biggest insult you could give an Arsenal player. But that lot didn’t get it. And this lot don’t. Because Wenger just doesn’t get it.
For all the deification of Wenger it is interesting to note that Arsenal have won nothing since Vieira left. I for one would argue that the successful Wenger sides achieved what they did in spite of and not because of the manager. With warriors like Vieira, Adams, Keown etc they were able to overcome the managers philosophical nonsensities. With these kids there’s no chance of that happening. Maybe the reason why Wenger doesn’t want experienced players in the squad is that they might just tell him he is talking b*ll*cks.
I mean even Brasil had to compromise to win the WC in 94 and 02. The all out stylish Brasilian teams like 82 and 98 won jack. Just like this Arsenal team…
21 November 2008 at 3:08 pm
‘Managed in spite of and not because of [Wenger]‘. What bollocks! I know these aren’t your words but good grief! Criticise by all means but don’t lose all grip on reality. Maybe madness is contagious…
21 November 2008 at 3:18 pm
Fab4 - fair point I was going by memory, I may have (did) get Kolo’s medals wrong. Kolo is a record holding Champions League clean sheet man though and an invincible through and through. I maintian - that is not something that is lost overnight. At least the legend KT fights unlike some others, an armband would suit him.
You also gave Blakey credit for pointing out Clichy’s challenge wasn’t a penalty at Birngham. Not that I need the kudos but read my first post that came before Blakey’s, I think I might’ve beaten him to the punch.
But we don’t need to argue, your posts are always intelligent Mr. Fab4 and how can I deride you when your idol is Cesc? The boy is going to come good and when he does look out. There isn’t a club in the world who wouldn’t have him.
21 November 2008 at 3:22 pm
And bloody hell Blakey, I didn’t mean to slag you but I just read what “dg” wrote and good on you for putting him in his place, he needed it. Cannot belive he wrote such tripe. You did well to nip it in the bud.
21 November 2008 at 3:26 pm
Actually I know I’m bordering on spamming but I have a question for “dg”. Who was it that only signed as Arsenal manager on the understanding that the board would sign Patrick Vieira?
You don’t know your Arsenal very well. Wenger begot Vieira. There’s no bloody “in spite of” going on here. No Arsene Wenger, no Patrick Vieira. Maybe you should check your facts before you spout utter shite.
21 November 2008 at 4:01 pm
Just going through the comments here, I agree with most of you. The signing of Gallas was (from my point of view) first shocking (never saw it happening) and then exciting. We had just lost Sol to free agency and Senderos was still raw (he probably still is) and immediately in one swoop we go a high calibre central defender who had the experience of winning the league with Chelsea. I’m probably understating things though, when I say that the majority of his performances (besides goal scoring ones) have been anything but close to his Chelsea levels of play. He’s been decent but not good enough in my opinion and I think he knows it and the players know it too. A player who doesn’t seem to give his heart out day in and day out, and one who seems to perform to less than his known capabilities is definitely not going to be someone who receives respect from the rest of the team.
I think AW’s decision to make him captain was an unmentioned gamble and one that possibly cost us the presence of Gilberto Silva in the team this year and possibly now the wonderful sense of unity that was present in the team that went to the CL final. In his first season for us, Gallas was nothing special and I’m sure it was AW’s idea that giving him the captain’s armband for the next (at Gilberto’s expense) will give him the motivation he needs to reproduce his Chelsea form and he was right. For the first half of the season he played with passion, fire and led his team with the same but it didn’t last. People say that all his essential contributions to us are now glossed over but I tend to disagree as his so called “essential” contributions are something any decent center back would provide (And technically the clearance after the Villa penalty was illegal as he was already in the box while it was being taken)
I know that the Birmingham game has been discussed to death, but I will bring it back up. I do not blame his performance at the game and I don’t entirely blame his theatrics at the end. What I will not sit quietly about is a team captain washing the team’s dirty laundry in public. You DO NOT come out in the open and say things like the team doesn’t have a winning mentality. That is the kind of stuff you tell the team at team practices and meetings and as captain it is partly your responsibility to instill that fire and passion to win into the rest of your team. Sadly, in spite of the dramatic pre-kick off talks and the constant yelling at someone else, Gallas has turned into the equivalent of a company boss whose employees know that he isn’t good enough for the job and Gallas realizes this. This is what makes him yell at everyone on the pitch and point fingers in public because he is going on the defensive and playing the role of the victim while he’s too caught up in being “The Captain” (some kind of footballing superhero in his mind) to accept his own faults. This is also the reason why, there seems to be disunity and a sense of lethargy in the team lately. There is no driving force in the team, there is no fighter who keeps egging people on and keeping them going and most importantly, the team has lost its belief in the captain who would much rather keep his own name spotless than set an example and lead from the front.
I completely agree that Gallas needs to go. His performances are average at best and his goal scoring does not warrant his presence on the team as he is a central defender and he isn’t a great one (I watched the highlights of the Villa game, the 2nd goal was down to poor refereeing for not giving us the foul and hapless defending by “Captain”). I also agree that clichy is probably your best bet on the team to be a captain right now (with cesc or kolo as vice captain). He is and has been one of the most consistent left backs in the world in these last few years and he gives his heart out every game. He is always running, always contributing and always fighting for the team.
I know someone here said that he has moments of “madness” but I tell you, define those moments. Against Birmingham last season, he made a mistake but he pulled of a fantastic tackle in response but was unfortunate to get the penalty call. This season, the Villa own goal would have been something anyone could have scored and you can’t blame him for trying because the cross was such that either he got to the ball or Agbonlahor had a certain goal. The “mistake” against spurs for Jenas’ goal was a case of him literally slipping and losing his footing, you can’t call that a moment of madness.
I feel Clichy is our most consistent players who is always giving 200% on the pitch and it will work even more to our benefit to make him captain since he’s still young. The younger players will be able to relate to him better as in the same package he’s been on the team for 5 odd years (experience) while he also knows and understands what these young players at Arsenal go through (much better than Gallas does). I feel Gallas needs to be sold off in January and we can buy the defensive midfielder that we all so crave and maybe buy this Van Buyten guy (I haven’t seen him play much, but I’ve heard good things about him).
So in the end, I agree with the article. Gallas out in Jan and clichy for captain.
21 November 2008 at 4:11 pm
a lot of people saying gallas is a poor captain compared to say adams or viera forget one big thing - adams had bould, seaman, dixon, winterburn and viera had henry, bergkamp, pires, cambell around him… What does gallas have??? sod all. he’s trying to steer a sinking ship and he’s getting fucked off with it. Not excusing what he’s said but we all deal with things differently. One last point who made gallas captain? or did he win it in the annual raffle?
21 November 2008 at 4:50 pm
Great point Tubes.
21 November 2008 at 5:14 pm
it doesn’t matter who the captain is… the bottomline is this team is weak… and simply not good enough!
pls do not try to sway from that reality… and live your life in the state of denial like what Arsene is doing now
blaming one player does not make this team stronger or better overnight, not even in the long term
stop pointing fingers… the more you point the more it reflcted back to Arsene decision or should I say indecision
his failure to get a replacement for Falmini departure is the main reason we are left behind chasing shadows
the manger has to be responsible if you really want to find the culprit
21 November 2008 at 6:04 pm
Gallas is an idiot, he must be sacked!
21 November 2008 at 6:06 pm
Immediately
21 November 2008 at 6:59 pm
Thank goodness! Gallas has been stripped of the Arsenal captaincy! What a relief!!!
21 November 2008 at 7:01 pm
bring back Senderos… a rock, and then make Toure captain. Clichy next to them and Sagna as well, we’ll never conceide again, as long as Almunia doesn’t fall asleep or does something worse (it’s possible) Gallas is rightly saying this, but wil have to pay the price, that’s for sure. You can’t come out like this, discuss it with Lord Wenger first, there’s a good boy.
21 November 2008 at 7:07 pm
not another idiot - “bring back senderos… a rock”…. Martijn, you have a memory like a sieve if you think senderos is the answer. How about SPEND SOME FUCKING MONEY ARSENE, YOU TIGHT FISTED CUNT.
21 November 2008 at 7:32 pm
Tubes. I like your forthright style. Well done fella
21 November 2008 at 7:42 pm
Gallas has clearly had enough. He knows what he said has been controversial and he knows that what he has said will cost him his Arsenal future. Thats why he said it. He looks around him and see’s the team falling apart.
So he wants out. Just to make sure he’ s also had a dig at Nasari regarding the French national team.
He’s probably right. Wasn’t it on this blog where someone commented about Song completely ignoring Kolo during the Stoke game. When Kolo asked him to stay back.
The trouble with Gallas and Arsenal is that Arsenal did not get him in 2000 or 2003 when Chelsea were about to go broke until the Russian stepped in and ruined the premiership.
Arsenal got Gallas eventually because Mourinho did not want to lose face and falk out 15 million on Cole. Gallas had aready burnt his bridges. So we got him.
Speaking as a manager (not a football one) sometimes if you promote or give a trouble maker responsibilty. It becomes the making of them. Which is why AW did what he did.
It clearly has not worked and its made Kolo become a worse player.
I agree Clichy would make an excellent captain. He’s at similar age to the rest of the players. He’s passionate. He understands the Arsenal tradition and he just might unite the dressing room.
21 November 2008 at 7:56 pm
80’s gooner,
good theory mate, might be right.
cheers bobby p, makes me laugh - people saying bring back senderos. We may get a result sat but it’ll just be papering over cracks aka man u. God help us.
somewhere in our starting xi is gonna be: song, diaby and denilson… The new axis of evil.
21 November 2008 at 8:01 pm
I hated the arrival of Gallas and have cursed him ever since, yes he has had some late minute goals, but did that lead to silverware? No. Naming him captain over Toure at the time was pathetic, and now Wenger is going to strip him of his armband (THANK GOD) and hopefully sell his ass. He has been a useless cunt.
Although Clichy is a great choice, it is time we give the armband to Cesc, it is his team, and it will not be a mistake.
21 November 2008 at 8:08 pm
chicago gooner,
RE: sell his ass. I would 110% agree with that if i thought that “splash the cash wenger” would buy a WORLD CLASS CB and not some un-known french/african (no racism).
21 November 2008 at 8:54 pm
Tubes, you’ve made me laugh again ‘ song, diaby and denilson….the new axix of evil ‘ I like it. also agree that a lot of this is Wengers fault regarding not spending. I read a lot of arsenal sites and quite a few gooners come out with this crap that that buying isn’t the answer and that we (the fans) know nothing, wenger is a genius etc etc. What they fail to see is that ultimatley it’s us who bankroll the team. Be it through season tickets, replica shirts, programmes, ATVO (that’s shit isn’t it ??) etc and it’s good for fans morale when we get in a new player. It’s something to get excited about. I remember reading that when we signed Dennis, Wrighty was so excited he drove to the ground to see him unveiled!!! If a player gets that excited by new signings, imaging what it’s like for supporters. I’m not sure Wenger really values the fans as much as he should.
21 November 2008 at 11:57 pm
I’m with doughnut! Eboue is clearly a captain trapped in a tiger suit. I say we picket the training ground until he gets the job! Who’s with me?
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