Astonishing figures on yellow cards suggest Arsene is right on the discipline madness

Premiership fouls, yellows and fouls per yellow

Arsenal 240 44 5.45
Villa 362 33 10.96
Blackburn 382 61 6.26
Bolton 382 59 6.47
Charlton 318 44 7.22
Chelsea 312 43 7.25
Everton 402 48 8.37
Fulham 367 47 7.80
Liverpool 327 29 11.27
Manchester City 381 40 9.52
Man United 307 40 7.67
Middelesbrough 365 49 7.44
Newcastle 346 56 6.17
Portsmouth 366 37 9.89
Reading 296 29 10.2
Sheffield United 329 47 7
Spurs 320 39 8.20
Watford 397 36 11.02
West Ham 382 59 6.47
Wigan 352 52 6.76

GAEL CLICHY was booked on 77 minutes last night for his first foul of the night. He had taken the ball but even if he had not, there was absolutely no reason for a booking.

Except that two minutes earlier Graham Poll had booked David Dunn for a wild hack at Gilberto. In the end they got four bookings (of which two only came in the last five minutes - one for dissent and one for over celebrating) for 29 fouls, us two for 11. And yet it was all so predictable. For ages it has felt as though one of our players just has to touch a man to be put on a disciplinary knife edge all game and yet the opposition can foul and foul and foul and foul without punishment. And when they are eventually booked it is in injury time for their 10th offence and it feels as though we have been illegally stopped from just trying to play the game all match and the referee has done nothing to protect us.

Sounds like a classic case of fan and Arsene Wenger paranoia doesn’t it? Well look at the table to your right.

That we so decisively commit fewer fouls than any other team appears to confirm Arsene’s assertion that our only interest is to play the game. And yet for some reason, we have accrued a booking count that ranks us right in the middle and gives us by far the lowest fouls per yellow ratio.

I say however you interpret it because if you compare us to the most extreme foulers (Watford), you see they are allowed to commit 11 fouls per booking and if you look at the least extreme foulers after us (Reading), they can commit over 10.

The spirit of the game

We love talking about how the pioneers of the game would turn in their graves at the sight of diving and yet we call constantly fouling the opposition all part of the game. But those pioneers would be equally stunned to see a team fouling 30 times during one match. Remember that there was a time when Arsenal returned penalties to the opposition keeper on the basis that the foul that led to it could only have been accidental.

The system is clearly completely flawed at the moment, indulging sides who deliberately go out to spread round as many fouls as possible and referees who are completely blind to what is going on and wait until the 88th minute to book them. It makes for terrible viewing, it is totally biased against those who just want to play the game, it wrecks your chances of seeing good football and it should be changed. One question to the FA: is it right that any team can commit ten fouls before a booking is given?

I told you Cesc would escape censure

Surely, anyone with half a brain can see the real aggressors at the Carling Cup final were Frank Lampard and Cesc Fabregas? Part of me is happy Cesc is not getting banned but it’s very worrying when you know the only reason is because he was involved with England boy Lampard.

And why was Wayne Bridge not charged too for diving? If he was anything other than an agitator, why did he knock the ball out of Eboue’s hands a second earlier when it was clearly our free kick?

2,150 Responses to “Astonishing figures on yellow cards suggest Arsene is right on the discipline madness”

  1. tubes Says:

    goodplaya,
    you should e-mail that to every media source and commentator (and blog head) to show that arsene does have a case when he rants and raves about the shitty refs that do us week in week out.

  2. GMR Says:

    Blackburn 30 fouls & 4 yellow cards. Of the 4 yellow’s 1 was for giving grief to the linesman (derbyshire) & McCarthy’s was for celebrating his goal. That means for 30 fouls they got just 2 yellow’s a ratio of 1 yellow every 15 fouls. Arsenal committed 11 fouls & also got 2 yellows a ratio of 1 yellow every 5.5 fouls. Thats why Wenger gets so p***ed off!!

    I posted the above on another site, but it’s becoming quite sickening to see these type stats. It’s clear refs allow it against us because our players are fast with quick feet & so they feel it’s the only way teams can stop us. I actually find it disgusting as persistent fouling is supposed to be a cautionable offence. If Blackburn had done that against any other team they would have finished the match with 9 men!!

  3. Goodplaya Says:

    Great point GMR. I am going to edit my post to incorporate that.

  4. Stevus Says:

    Great point Goodplaya. Even beyond whether we win or lose is the fact that this spate of spurious yellow cards (and the odd strange red - Adebayor’s for instance) mean that the referees are diminshing the quality of the “product” (to quote Keith Edelman) that the fan is now forking out exorbitant prices for - eg. £66 for West Ham at home, called “Grade A” despite the fact they are virtually bottom of the league and we will probably have half our team missing. One of these days a clever lawyer will arrange for Arsenal fans to collectively sue the Referees Association and/or the FA for trades description offences.

  5. fourstar Says:

    That is fantastic work on the stats; if you don’t mind I would like to link here from my blog too.

    And I agree with tubes; send it to every media outlet you can think of (and Mr Wenger too).

  6. Goodplaya Says:

    You’re welcome to link…

  7. Sue Says:

    I think figures like those should be sent to every football media in the UK including that twat Richard Keys at Sky. Arsene is right, so lets get the ball rolling on this.

  8. mjc Says:

    I don’t know where these stats come from, but after yesterday’s official ruling on the Adebayor/Eboue farce that, basically, “they all look the same to us”, it would be fascinating to see the same figures broken down into white/black/white England players. I’m stuck with this gut feeling that there is inherent racism in many of the cards handed out. And if you happen to be tall, muscular and black (an age old iconic symbol of the rampaging African about to steal “our” women) you are especially likely to be victimised. Let’s no forget that Vieira once got 5 cards from one ref for committing 8 fouls. The media love to portray Wenger as a whinger, but at Monaco he complained in the same way he is now, and ultimately Marseilles were discovered to be bribing the officials to an extent that would even embarass Juventus….

  9. Mark Says:

    Fab and Lampard got off because the ref had taken action against their indiscretions and therefore they weren’t eligible for FA action. But you’re right that they were the cause of the brawl.

  10. Mick Says:

    The media are already aware of these stats, they just choose to ignore them. It’s our own fault for being the first club to challenge Manu’s dominance of the Premiership. The press were never going to allow that to happen without any consequences.

  11. Victoria Crescit Says:

    Excellent piece here.

    Just look at the Everton figures too. They have committed 162 more fouls than Arsenal ( 67.5% more)but only have 4 more yellow cards ! How can that be right?

  12. rich Says:

    i cant believe also that the refs inability to award us penalty kicks,when everyone can see it,for example rovers at home,also why wasnt dunn sent off for shirt pulling and wrestling,as it was a foul where was the second yellow card

  13. fourstar Says:

    Just out of interest, I was discussing this with a colleague who wondered if the reason is partly to do with the fact that we play such attractive football so, when one of our players /does/ commit a foul, it sits so badly with our style that the ref is inclined to think it is worse than it actually was.

    It would also mean that refs weren’t judging each foul on its individual (lack of) merit but were linking it to the player and/or team that committed it - which in itself is wrong too.

    Interesting point?

  14. Goodplaya Says:

    mjc - I’d rather see that kind of suggestion backed up with evidence before it is alleged… but good point re Marseille.

    Mark - Just because he took action does not mean he could not have taken more action. I’m sure there was a case where that happened and there are always ways of dressing the charge up in some other way.

    Trust me, had they wanted to, they could have…

    Mick - I think you’re being a bit paranoid there re challenging United. Let’s stick to the stats!

  15. Luke Says:

    …and considering Arsenal almost always dominate possession, you could also correlate the amount of Arsenal possession with the fouls committed by the other team. The warped logic must be that if we have so much possession, the other team can only play by trying to win back possession, by fair means or foul. Hence, it is “right” for more fouls to be committed against us. Make sense? But most unjust right?

  16. Victoria Crescit Says:

    Maybe you should send this to Arsene, David Dein and especially to the FA and Keith Hackett. We should all demand an explanation.

  17. GMR Says:

    Did anyone else notice Poll go to his top pocket last night when Dunn pulled Freddie back right in front of him?? Realising he had booked him already he then just gave him a talking to. Within a few minutes of that, Dunn played the pass which McCarthy duly scored from. Were we robbed?? I think so!!

  18. Goodplaya Says:

    fourstar - Under the rules, refs should link it to the player who has committed it.

    Sadly, they do not have to link it to the team responsible and that is why they can get away with spreading them round the whole side and getting no collective punishment. From our point of view, it really doesn’t matter which particular player fouled us…

    Luke - interesting point. But surely it is not acceptable to constantly foul, even if you are trying to win the ball?

  19. Gee Dubya Says:

    Great article Goodplaya - this is something that has rankled with me since the moment we got deducted 2 points and the Mancs only 1 for a ruck they started.

    I am sick and tired of unbalanced reporting and (seemingly) biased views. The media are twisting everything - except astonishingly, the Independant actually ran a “blow-by-blow” breakdown of the incident, and named both Essien and Drogba as having thrown punches (or slaps) - their crimes being no worse than Eboue (who is a liability IMO) - and yet they get off scot free - how? How is a Chelsea punch deemed less than an Arsenal one, how does the Disciplinary Committee ignore these two incidents?

    It cannot be bias - this cannot exist, it must be paranoia on our behalf - but for Christsakes, someone has to have a reasonable explanation on how this occurs.

    The Media lambast Wenger for standing up for his and AFC’s rights - yet this is their own raison d’etre on matters politic and public - the papers, Sky, 5 Live are all over “Rip-off Britain” like a hot rash - and then criticise a Frenchman for vigourously and publicly defending himself against a miscarriage of justice.

    The FA is little short of a dictatorship - they issue punishment, and then self-police - they have no credibility, and turn a blind eye to evidence.

    It will take another club getting “the Arsenal treatment” before I believe its not anti-Arsenal. I am a grown man, I have a responsible lifestyle, and yet I cannot escape thinking childishly the feelings of injustice burning into me from yet another unbalanced kangaroo court.

    I must be wrong. Musn’t I?

  20. Goodplaya Says:

    Not so sure the media are biased against us as such. Maybe just that some of them are naturally inclined against what Arsenal represent…

  21. mjc Says:

    Goodplaya - yes it should be backed up by evidence which is precisely why I said that I had a “gut feeling” and asked if the stats could be broken down differently. I think that stats that showed a major racial bias would have more media impact that anti-Arsenal stats.

  22. Carlosthegooner Says:

    I also saw that twat go to pull his card back and so did Dunn, although they should have had two guys sent off last night…. erm I mean they should have had Tuguy sent off as well last night.

    Balls to the lot of them. I’d like to know the fouls to cards ratio just against Arsenal by other clubs. I’d guess about a 1:10 ratio. Anyone know where that stat exists?

  23. james Says:

    Poll is an idiot and should be sacked. How could he not give Dunne a second yellow card yesterday is beyond amazing - he is simply not doing his job properly. Recently he was criticised for being centre of attention, so his reaction last night was to ‘not be centre of attention’, which meant Arsenal suffered because they did not get 2 penalties and Dunne did not get sent off for 2 blatant yellow card offences. Poll doesn’t do what he should do on the pitch, he does what he thinks his public image should do, it’s ridiculous.

    As for fouls and bookings, I don’t agree that simply committing more fouls should automatically mean less bookings - it depends what the fouls were for?? A team might commit few fouls, but when they do they are blatant or nasty. When I watch Arsenal, however, what frustrates me is the petty little, disruptive fouls that keep breaking up the fluid passing. These are quite deliberate and are not deemed bookable offences - but the referees have to put a stop to it. It’s like the Blackburn manager has told his team, every player has to commit 2 petty fouls each to disrupt Arsenal - lots of teams do this and it’s bad for football and Arsenal.

  24. RPT Says:

    Article in today’s Independent newpaper -

    “Bribes are part and parcel of doing business in Russia. A damning report by the Indem think-tank last November claimed that firms need to set aside 7 per cent of their annual turnover to bribe corrupt officials.”

    If corruption is endemic in some Western countries why are we so certain it could never happen in English football? Corruption needs just three things 1/ the incentive - there are huge amounts of money sloshing around top English football, 2/ the opportunity - look at the figures above, if we accept that level of inconsistency from our officials how would you ever spot them DELIBERATELY favouring a team? 3/ people willing to offer and accept bribes.

    So our cosy belief that corruption only occurs in foreign governments and Italian football is based purely on the belief that no-one involved with English football would ever offer or accept a bribe because every last man jack of them is honest, and would report anyone offering them say, a million pounds to say, “give us the benefit of the doubt” in an important game. And so what if the TV commentators do think some of the decisions are wrong, what will they say, maybe, “I think he’s having a poor game today”.

    You will never stop corruption, but you can make it much, much more difficult by having a fourth official viewing TV pictures and by increasing the pool of referees and linesemen so the same officials referee less of each clubs’ games.

  25. cem Says:

    why is it that the team who wants to play football as it should be played are denied this???
    This stat sums up why Wenger is so annoyed after every game, in fact im more pissed off than him.
    If I was the manager of Arsenal I would have been charged by the FA after every game. Poll you are a disgrace. Why are you still a referee after the WC????
    Just explain why you didnt sent Dunn off…
    I am so angry inside because these men that are controlling the game are not honest people. 5.5 foul pr yellow card compared to liverpools 11. Im sickkkkkkk

  26. GMR Says:

    Exactly, Dunn put his head in his hands. He knew he was off, yet Poll bottled it. Again though he won’t be held accountable.

  27. Fab4 Says:

    While I don’t want to throw a spanner in the works of what is a great article, and I do think that we are harshly treated by referees in terms of lack of protection, I do think the figures presented are slightly misleading. For example, while we on the face of things have received a much higher ratio of yellow cards for fouls committed, it does not account for the fact that we have received a fair few bookings for non-fouling related offences. Van Persie has been booked a few times for handball, diving and also dissent. Lehmann has been booked for timewasting and dissent, Henry for winding up Kirkland, Flamini for celebrating his goal against Liverpool etc

    So while we have committed the least number of fouls in the league we have received a lot of bookings for offences that were not fouls.

    Having said that, we do seem to get hard done by, in away matches in particular, with red and yellow cards. A lot of that stems for pre-match comments from the likes of Walrus Boy and Hughes on “the way to beat Arsenal”, and how we get “too much protection” which may influence the ref.

  28. dennis zonk Says:

    This argument does not take into account the nature of the fouls committed - and therefore is fundamentally flawed. Teams like Blackburn and Bolton are very physical in order to compensate for less possession, skill and mobility, and will consequently give away alot of fouls which are due to mistiming of tackles and lack of speed. These types of fouls are less likely to gain yellow cards for one offence, but for a succession of them. Arsenal probably do not commit alot of these types of fouls due to their speed and mobility. On the other hand, professional fouls gain yellow cards for one offence and this might be the type of foul of which Arsenal has committed more. Of course I do not have the stats, but I suggest if you want to put across a serious argument you have to be a little more sophisticated in your analysis of the data. Your argument is akin to me saying “There were
    1000 crimes in England and 100 people went to jail, whereas in Scotland there were only 500 crimes but 150 people went to jail. Therefore the system is unfairly biased against Scotland.” This is a nonsense argument as it does not take into account the nature of the crimes. I would therefore strongly advise that you do not send this breakthrough analysis to the world’s media until you have a stronger case and a more coherent argument, as they just might think Arsenal fans are a bit dim.

  29. Edwin Says:

    Is sad to see the stat, England National Team won’t improve, the FA and referee are protect them, how can they win the WC ??? FA double standard

  30. Rovers Fan Says:

    Boo-hoo, you moaning lot. End of the day you’re team is full of pansies that cannot take any kind of a tackle. Fact of the matter, your striker should have been booked for diving for the first penalty shout, Ebeoe should have been booked for an incredibly cynical challenge and what about Denilson handballs?

    End of the day, you’re just as dirty as any other team, you just break the rules in other ways. Such as faking or exaggerating injuries and the numerous cheeky off the ball attacks. So don’t play all innocent because you’re the players of the beautiful game, Arsenal would take an advantage over another team like anyone else would.

  31. Blog Head Says:

    They won the league god knows how many times playing physical

  32. Jamesl Says:

    Goodplaya, great article, where did you get the stats from? Those two twats from talksport (Durham and Quinn) constantly argue that we are by far the dirtiest team and there are no stats to prove otherwise.

  33. Will Says:

    I think we need to band together, create a website named something like “Arsenalinjustices.com” and note all fouls against us and by us and if they resulted in a card or not. Then and only then can we go the FA with undenyable proof that we are being victimised and have something done about it.

    Arsenal fans can note down times/players and e-mail these in to someone that can capture all the data and put it in the website.

    What do you guys think?

  34. Blog Head Says:

    Will,

    I think you need to get your dick sucked

  35. Danish Gooner Says:

    The only decent referee in The Premier League is Martin Atkinson.It was almost a travesty watching such an inept performance as the one Mr.Poll put in yesterday.When football becomes a lottery is it worth watching ??? Why dont they introduce video replay if they had we would have won the Carling Cup and still be in the Fa cup.

  36. Carlosthegooner Says:

    We won the league twice playing physical 1971 and 1991 and we were punished on many occasions for the way we played. Davis 10 match ban for a punch (a very good one mind) - did anyone else ever get this? No. 2 point deduction for a brawl with Mancs (who also got one). Happened to anyone else? No. Vieira 6 match ban for spitting (fair do’s I think). Anyone else had a ban for this (and it has happened)? No.

    Sorry Blog head but this has gone on for years but the stats this year are ridiculous

    Mr Rovers Fan - good luck in the cup, it’s not a beef against your team. Just a general comment ovre the season

  37. Eddy Pratt Says:

    Great article, goodplaya. The cynicism of Hughes and Blackburn is beyond contempt.Tugay was given a carte blanche to go out and persistently foul - then as he neared a second yellow he was replaced by Dunn who contiuned the ‘hatchet job’. How could fat boy Poll fail to give Dunn a second yellow for pulling Ljunberg back?

    It wouldn’t be so bad but this has been going on for years.

    We’ve been denied blatant penalties in our last three UK games. (Warnock on Aliadiere, Diarra on Baptista, Emmerson on Ljunberg). It’s hard to ignore the conspiracy and bias theories.

    I notice Frank Lampard has now come out and admitted he wasn’t punched by Adebyor. What’s the betting the FA won’t change their mind?

  38. GunnerPete says... Says:

    Well Gunners at last this biyas and bent crop of officials (inc the FA) have been found out, as anti Arsenal, and with an agenda that is criminal.

    I think the time has come for Arsenal to demand an investigation into the wild variations in decisions for and against us. The club chairman and board should now have the guts to say enough is enough, we want every red card under Arsenes rule to be investigated and compared with the lenientcy shown to certain clubs.I also think its time that AFC threaten to walk out of some competitions if we do not get treated the same as all the others but with special reference to Man U, Chelsea & Liverpool.

    To watch our top players get red carded year in year out for the minimal offence, and to see the offenders turned into heroes by their supporters, supports the view widly help by AFC fans world wide that Arsenal are used as an example of what the FA and their bent officials can do.

    If the supporters of other clubs dont understand our beef, just ask them to compare the treatment their clubs get to what has happened to arsenal not just in the last three games but over the past 10 years.

    Make all the fair footballing supporters watch the decisions against AFC in the past 3 matches alone which (1) has lost us the chance of more cup glory. (2) Has cost AFC a fortune in revenue. (3) Has shown the world just how corrupt our officials are (4) Has shown all dirty teams that to beat the pure football that AFC sides play, just commit obscene fouls in or out of the penalty area. You will not give away penalties if you are Northern or a rich club.

    To know we have been cheated out of one cup final by a bent official or two is bad enough, but to have to watch our team get robbed home & away by two totally obnoxiously poor Refs is disgusting. We all knew Poll was a disgrace before the world cup, but after last night his every decision should be investigated by Arsenal and tested in court for fraud.

    As for the other idiot WEB, he and his linesman should be suspended whilst their reasons for the lies they told about adebayour etc are investigated.

    As for the FA……..well the only honest time in their history was when D.Dean was the head. Now it has reverted back to a group of morons with an agenda to placate the rich.

    We need a new footballing body to replace this out of date set of idiots.

  39. Michael Says:

    Absolutely right in everything you say.

    Arsene is a lone voice calling for pure football and the FA are letting him and us down, badly!

  40. lc Says:

    AW should know why we are being undone by referres, FA and so on.
    A couple of weeks ago, I said that AW needed to add a first squad English or British players to the current squad,three or five players the next two years. This will drive away the tag we are carrying at the moment, as an english club with foreign players. I’ve got nothing to prove on this; but since last year with Diaby hawful injury that never attracted the referee attention while he was so close to the action. Then yesterday, the tackle on Eboue that never impressed Paul, I firmly believe that if AW doesn’t do something major rather than just moanning after bad results, something hawful could happen to one of Arsenal many foreign players.
    I love the young lads, as I am an Arsenal supporter. I just feel this and I really fear for them. The way things are happening at the moment is like Arsenal have to keep loosing so that they will be safe.
    AW should know this by know. Arsenal is part of the major English big clubs that provide players to the national team. At the moment, with the current structure, they won’t produce any player avalaible to Steve Mc Larren. This is not a jok.

  41. Miff Says:

    Dunn deserved a yelloew card for blatently pulling one of our players shirt right in front of the ref. If he’d got the deserved yellow then he would have been off, thus not able to play the pass leading to their goal. the standard of refereeing last night was fucking shite. thats all there is to be said.

  42. Harry Barracuda Says:

    Fuck the England team, they’re shit anyway.
    Why should we bother developing players who know how to play football if cunts like Poll are going to let them get kicked off the park for it?

    Fuck McLaren and Fuck the FA.

  43. Harry Barracuda Says:

    Ahhh I feel strangely better for that :)

  44. Fred Says:

    Maybe the guys from REDAction or someone else could organise some kind of pre match protest. The time has come where everyone just thinks Wenger is moaning again, we must make it clear it is more than that.

    The lack of scrutiny over the FA is shameful and they should be brought to task. A linesman says Adey punched the Salad dodger yet every camera angle shows he doesnt, so what they do? Uphold their decision. Guilty until proven innocent is the FA motto when Arsenal are involved. Its time for action!

  45. arsenal Says:

    Aresena = a bunch of bad losers manged by a bad loser

  46. Superlase Says:

    This morning I have e-mailed the FA at the following address:
    FootballforAll@TheFA.com
    This is an adress where you can report incidents of abuse, discrimination again. I reported the FA for abusing football for using twats like Poll as referees and the crappy disciplinary proceudre that sees several Arsenal players charged but none of Chelsea’s. I encourage all of you to do the same. We need to tell the fuckers what we think.

  47. ogwang samuel Says:

    I like Arsenal the team, i may be quite moderate in my comment. most of our comments are very very negative just because misery is at EMMIRATES this season.wenger commented just after Benni’s goal that ‘FA referees have their way of doing justice’ which to me is a good comment because FA referees will never do justice the way we fans or wenger wants it! and the kind of fouls our players committe are quite different and hard to jugde because they are done in hurry our players ran like they have been given some specific distance to cover in a second during the game and that changes the independent opinion of the referee.adebayor punced frank of chelsea in a hitted speed who saw that punch clearly better than the ref? none and wenger trusted the microscope to show the punch rather than the ref. if Benni’s goal was mistakenly disallowed by the FA ref wenger would have commented defferently by saying ‘that is football’. the idea of arsenal having many foreign players doesn’t confirm the current successive defeat. FA yellow & red cards are due to our play system we could change before blaming the referees and calling them set of idiots. One of us Lauren held Ruud van’s throat openly those days, Toure dived after lee man was displaced by Rooney at the post,Henry took indirect kick before time, adebayor punched Frank all these were done hurriedly let us change.

  48. Bedford Gooner Says:

    Great blog - deserves my first ever comment on a blog :O) posted a link to this on Official Arsenal Messageboards

  49. Will Says:

    Here you are guys, call the FA and let them know how you fgeel.

    Please call the number that relates to your query.
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  50. Superlase Says:

    arsenal (comment 45)- learn to spell before you come on here and abuse us, you fuckwit.

  51. Ed Matthews Says:

    If you are a Jonny Foreigner in Rome, you do not get Roman justice, it is as pure and simple as that. If arsenal was managed by an English manager and had a nucleus of five or six English players who all played for the national team, then and only then will referees, The FA and the media will be more pro-Arsenal, for the simple fact that, for example if Diaby was English and Dan Smith of Sunderland was French, and the English player was preparing for a major tournament - say European cup or the World cup, and the English player, who in this senario is Diaby got hacked by the French player (Dan Smith)we all know what the reaction from all quaters would have been.

    When Arsenal lost 3-1 to Bolton, in this seasons first match between the two sides, I remember a big push on Eboue by Davis that went unpunished. Compare this to Gilberto’s sending off at Blackburn when he retaliated against Robbie Savage. When Savage knowing that he was the perpetuator of the original crime pleaded for Gilberto, but the referee said to Savage, if he raised his hands on you, he goes off. Why wasn’t the same treatment given to Davis on his blatant push on Eboue, and why did the FA not do anything about it? Why is it that all 50- 50 decisions favour Chelsea and particularly Manchester United in most cases. Look back at some ridiculous penalty decisions that has gone against Arsenal Vrs Manchester United, those decisions will never go against the likes of Manchester United (Ronnie on Sol Campbell, and Solskaer on the same player). The FA never do anything about these sort of things as a result, all these decisions become built up and invariably leeds to frustration and is one of the causes of why the players react the way they do sometimes.

    As meticulous and knowledgable as Arsene is, I am sure he must be aware of all these facts we have stated here, but the fact is, he is too diplomatic to upset a whole institution by openong up a can of worms, and will therefore not say more than is blatantly obvious.

  52. Jamie d Says:

    Then we are not the same,all comments are not for arsenal fans. ahahahahah!

  53. luke Says:

    hullo jamie,i have just realize that there is a fan ogwang. his idea is far back and shows lack of support at bad momemts like this. no no……

  54. Blog Head Says:

    Keep banging on about the refs all you like, but the reason your not as strong as you were is because your not playing as well. Simple as that

  55. Wingston75 Says:

    Goodplaya,

    fantastic stat, that table, any way you can supply it to arseblogger along with the stats it’s compiled from, so maybe he can get it to amy lawrence, who might be one journo who might actually publish it?

    Excellent woirk, as usual…

    »»Arsene Knows««

  56. TSH Says:

    These stats mean f**k all. Yellow cards can be given for 1 foul, not 5.

  57. Percy Says:

    Dare I say it–video replay? It’s worked in cricket thus far. It’s worked in American football as well, and they have a system that could be implemented in football.

    Give each coach two replay challenges per game–they can use this to get the referee’s attention when they think a gross mistake has been committed. The official on the sideline can watch the replay and make the call and relay it to the ref. Granted there will be some calls that cannot be overturned based on video evidence but at least the blatant ones would be caught.

    Just a thought, I know the FA has it’s head so far under the ground, it’s probably pointless.

  58. Blog Head Says:

    You lot need to stop and listen to yourselves. Your an embarrasment to the male sex

  59. Will Says:

    Just sent this mail to the FA

    I am an Arsenal fan and I am now a little confused by the rules of the FA. I have watched the last two games Arsenal have played in and noticed a huge discrepancy in how the rules work. We as Arsenal fans are now believing there is a vendetta against our team because of the thoughts that we are a “foreign” team. I could use examples but I will provide one set of damning statistics that I beg you to look at and explain to me.

    Premiership fouls, yellows and fouls per yellow

    Arsenal 240 44 5.45
    Villa 362 33 10.96
    Blackburn 382 61 6.26
    Bolton 382 59 6.47
    Charlton 318 44 7.22
    Chelsea 312 43 7.25
    Everton 402 48 8.37
    Fulham 367 47 7.80
    Liverpool 327 29 11.27
    Manchester City 381 40 9.52
    Man United 307 40 7.67
    Middlesbrough 365 49 7.44
    Newcastle 346 56 6.17
    Portsmouth 366 37 9.89
    Reading 296 29 10.2
    Sheffield United 329 47 7
    Spurs 320 39 8.20
    Watford 397 36 11.02
    West Ham 382 59 6.47
    Wigan 352 52 6.76

    How can Aston Villa commit 122 more fouls than us but receive 11 less yellow cards? Liverpool have committed 87 more fouls and have received 15 less cards and Watford have committed 157 more fouls then Arsenal but have received 8 less cards. These figures do not add up and smack of bias. I could give you the URL’s of numerous websites and blogs where thousands of Arsenal fans are now asking the same question. How are Arsenal, known as a fancy dan team that do not like the physical approach be the dirtiest team in the league and how, can we, the team who have commited the least amount of fouls have the highest foul to card count?

    For me, this is sending out the wrong message, the FA are saying they want to cut diving and cheating out of the game but they are allowing teams to kick teams that try to play the “beautiful game” with near impunity. Again, take the Blackburn Vs Arsenal game from last night (28/02/07) Blackburn commited 29 fouls and received four yellow cards. Now bare in mind, one card was for dessent and the other for over-celebrating the goal. That means Blackburn players were allowed to commit 14.5 fouls without receiving a yellow card. How does this promote the Premier league in a good light? Fans and players from abroad will watch this game and believe that the English game is still a game for thugs and cloggers.

    Please do not think I write this mail lightly, I honestly do not want to think there is something rotten in the game I have played and loved for 34 years but I am starting to believe there is and that is not only disturbing, it is sad and dis-heartening. Please, please reassure me there is not an underlying xenophobic streak running through the referees and the FA.

    I await your response

  60. Adam_Arseblog Says:

    We dominate games so much that our fouls tend to be emphasised more - and they are nearly always a result of an oppositions breakaway being halted and the player (Toure rushing in, or someone else) being worthy of a yellow. We make fewer fouls but they are often more telling - and because the opposition has so little of the ball the fouls really are all they have to hold onto.

    It’s a fucker, but it seems it’s price you pay for outclassing teams. Unless you have Puyol and Marques, who have perfected the art of fouling, without fouling…

  61. The FA Says:

    Will,

    Thank you for your letter, Fuck off gay boy

    The F.A

  62. pooner Says:

    yep. Poll is an idiot and when i saw he was reffing the game i though “shit, not poll, that’s us out”
    and yes we do get the shit end of the stick on yellow cards and discipline and it is infuriating, unjust and damaging to our results and play.
    and yes the FA are a gigantic set of bloated bureaucratic, self-serving, servile wankers that need to be taken behind the warehouse and shot.

    BUT we did not lose last night just because of these horrible injustices, we lost because, ljundberg(who i’m not willing to write off yet) and baptista(who i’m more close to writing off) let our chances go.

    it’s like when wigan lost to us “because’ of the deined penalty. that wouldn’t have mattered had heskey not missed his chances and if wigan had created more. you just can’t rely on these decisions, you have to create your own luck like drogba did on sunday (as loathed as i am to type that) and we haven’t been doing that in front of goal of late.

    these statistics are worrying and i agree action needs to be taken to make sure they are nullified and arsenal treated fairly BUT we can’t let them become a ditraction - we need to improve our scoring stats - give ourselves something positive to analyse and the say “well you can foul me you dirty bastard but we just scored seventeen goals against you in one minute so err fuck you!”

    we can rise above it (so long as we don’t have too many suspensions and people don’t keep disrupting our play!! hahaha)

  63. reader Says:

    can you format that table to make it readable?

  64. warsa Says:

    this goes way back.

    you must be absolutely stupid to think that there isn’t an inherent xhenophobia in the English game. I’ve felt this a long time, just never knew were to go to get the stats.

  65. kidK Says:

    some table you have there playa, got my blood boiling.
    those are some serious statistics because even if arsenal really make more brutal challanges than other teams (which they dont) the gap wouldnt be so big over 2/3 of the season. talking about sifnigicant results of statistical analysis this will go with three stars above the numbers

  66. Adam Says:

    I think you have to accept that the FA are out to protect the interests of the English National team, which is to the detriment of the Premier league in general. Don’t forget, before the 1998 FA Cup final, Alan Shearer purposely kicked Neil Lennon in the head (with about the same force as Abou Diaby did to John Terry) and was up for suspension which may have ruled him out of the cup final. It has been reported since that he said that if the FA chose to ban him from playing in the cup final he wouldn’t go to France 98 with England. And suprise surprise he escaped a ban for deliberately kicking someones head in! A simple case to highlight where the heart of the FA resides.

  67. Alan Says:

    I wrote a similar piece for the Gooner about 7 years ago with exactly the same findings. It’s amazing that players like Paul Scholes can foul 4/5 times in a game.

  68. Emkay Says:

    Give me an e-mail address and I will send you a tabulated table .pdf.

  69. kam Says:

    the statistics are incredible - i do get a feeling that something underhand is going on BUT like pooner says, we make our own luck. we had many chances last night to score without the penalties and should have won the game despite the poor refereeing decisions. the problem at the moment is that we are not sharp enough in front of goal - and the feeling of misery and paranpoia has been accentuated due to the fact we lost in dramatic circumstances in one cup and then again a few days later in another.

    we would have beaten chelsea and blackburn if we were more clinical - forget the refereeing decisions. the fact that about 15 out of the 20 teams in the premiere league have to defend for 90 minutes and hope for a wonder goal to beat us should be taken as a compliment. it just shows that they are afraid to come out and play against us because they know they’ll get spanked (4-0 against reading earlier this year).

    once we have gallas and toure back in the centre of defence and henry getting back a bit of form (he exudes confidence into other players when he is playing well), as well as van persie fighting with adebayor to partner him up front, these problems will seem a lot less pressing.

    remember we’ve played the most games out of any team in the premiere league this season - 47 so some of our recent poor performances can eb attributed to fatigue.

  70. Emkay Says:

    Goodplaya, hope you don’t mind but I have sent a tabulated version of your table as a .pdf to the FA! FA is about all the response we will get too!

  71. Jimmy P Says:

    Maybe what all of this means in simple terms is that Arsenal are just poor tacklers and hate getting stuck in. The total number of fouls reflects that fact somewhat. It is no coincidence the number of average strikers that have managed to score against Arsenal.

  72. singaporegooner Says:

    I’ve been following Arsenal for the past 8 years and I can’t agree more.

    Problem is, it’s a football thing. And like all football things, it will be taken lightly because everyone always thinks their team has been unfairly treated. Ask a Man Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea fan and they’ll say the same thing.

    Even if they do agree with us, what can they do?

    We are the only team among the top four without an English stalwart. Man Utd has Ferdinand, Rooney and Neville. Liverpool has Gerrard, Carragher and Crouch. Chelsea has Terry and Lampard, and 2 Coles. Who do we have? Walcott and Hoyte in the u21…

    It’s an English thing. It’s an ethnocentric thing. To have a team of foreigners win a league title in one season is a novelty. To have a foreign team build a dynasty, now that’s travesty and utterly disgraceful to the game which was born in England. With this attitude, the English will never win the FA Cup.

  73. singaporegooner Says:

    I mean the World Cup. What was I thinking???

  74. Dean Heath Says:

    Silly Gooners!

    The reason why the sttistics make you look like victime is because you have the ball for most of the game and your fouls have to be cynical because your players pour forward to support Cesc etc.

    So most of your fouls will be to stop counter attacks, unlike the fouls against you which are generally in the middle of the pitch and due to very good ball manipulation of your part and fatigue on theirs.

    It’s that simple. If you want to be treated like the rest, play like the rest! Not that I want to see it - I love watching you lot play - even if I’m a scouse man!

  75. Blog Head Says:

    And dont forget the yellows for diving, mouthing off, aggressive behaviour, smelling, licking eachothers balls and sniffing eachothers groins which in my view should be straight reds - boo-ya

  76. kam Says:

    i couldnt agree more with dean heath the scouser - we are blowing this thing out of proportion. coming off the back of a few of defeats its easy to blame the referees (even if they are inept, i mean graham poll looking at ljungbergs upper body - that was some bullshit) but the simple matter is that we had enough chances to seal up the game and we didnt take them and we got punished for it. its not that the ref was shite, blackburn were defending the whole game - it was the fact we weren’t clinical enough to do the job. if we want to claim to be one of the best teams in europe, we need to be able to beat blackburn rovers. simple.

  77. Goodplaya Says:

    Fab4 everyone gets bookings for diving.

    Dennis Zonk well one on completely missing the point. it is all those little fouls which are the problem when you are on the receiving end of them.

    DeanHeath I would credit the argument more about it being our style of play if United did not have such average stats…

  78. Blog Head Says:

    Whats wrong with you people, I feel like i’ve taken crazy pills

  79. twotouchmiracle Says:

    ScoUSA Dean-
    Since when are fouls that stop counters more important than fouls that break up good possesion (that lead to high percentage goal scoring opportunities) They’re both cynical and should be dealt with in the same manner. Dunce.

  80. bros Says:

    I WRITING FROM OVERSEAS. YOU NEED TO SPREAD YOUR INFO. TO EVERYWHERE, EVEN OVERSEAS FOR ALL FANS TO SEE THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT THAT STINKING ANTI-FOREIGN VENDETTA AGAINST ARSENAL - ALMOST FROM THE F.A., OFFICIALS, REFS., MEDIA, CLUBS/MAMAGERS, PLAYERS.

    WE OVERSEAS ARE WATCHING THE SHAMEFUL WAYS OF THE F.A. AND REFS. WHY WAS LAMPARD (AND OTHER TIMES) SO -CALLED ENGLAND SUPERSTARS PENALISED? REMEMBER ROONEY’S SWEARING?

    AND YOU GOT A CLUELESS NUT OF A MANAGER WHO EVEN PRAISED TERRY’S COURAGE (WHICH ACTUALLY IS IDIOTIC STUPIDITY) TO PLAY WHEN UNFIT, AND TO RISK HIMSELF WITH HIS HEAD). WHAT KIND OF MANAGER IS THAT - BEING IN AWE OF HIS OWN PLAYER’S STUPIDITY? TERRY COULD HAVE HONESTLY DIED IF NOT FOR QUICK ACTION BY THE PHYSIO.

  81. bros Says:

    CORRECTION: I MEANT TO SAY, “WHY WAS LAMPARD AND OTHERS..” NOT PENALISED.

  82. Divo Says:

    Arsenal isn’t the only club to complain about the refs. Other clubs have done it before. The real big problem is the F.A. and officials and refs. refusal or inability to correct itself. To them. officialdom = power, prideful authority = I am right, you are wrong = No complains, Toe the line, Watch your words, OR ELSE be punished. It is hypocrisy of the highest order for them to demand their rules to be followed but refused to acknowledge and admit their own mistakes.

  83. Gunnerblood Says:

    POST # 47

    FUCKING BRAINLESS IDIOT.
    Incase it has escaped your pea brain the discussion here is based on facts and not suppositions. How the fuck do you know what AW would say if Benni’s goal was disallowed and why on earth would a goal that was scored from outside the area be disallowed in the firstplace?

    There’s nothing wrong with objective assessment of situations but only if the argument is founded on facts not stupid innuendos. So shut the fuck up if you have nothing important to contribute!

  84. Gunnerblood Says:

    GOODPLAYA, I think it is time you employed some authoritarian or dictatorial principles on this blog. We have everything going against us systematically and the last thing we need is Northern idiots or Yid WUMs coming on an Arsenal blog to wind us up with nonsensical posts. WHY NOT DELETE THESE FUCKERS as soon as they post!

  85. Goonerak Says:

    Want another interesting stat?

    since Arsene Wenger took over at Arsenal, they have played 595 competitive games.

    Arsenal have picked up:
    67 red cards
    924 yellow cards

    Arsenal’s opponents have picked up:
    80 red cards (19% more than Arsenal)
    1170 yellow cards (27% more than Arsenal)

    Looks like Arsenal’s opponents like to kick Arsenal more than Arsenal kick their opponents.

  86. Blog Head Says:

    Gunnerblood,

    Sniff my groin girly boy.

    I bet your dad used to let you win at everything didn’t he.

    Lick my balls and dont forget to suck the nuts - Boyakka

  87. Blog Head Says:

    Goonerak,

    What about all the titles you won playing physical? Maybe you stop mentioning them because you obviously won them through cheating.

    Or maybe you’ve supported Arsenal for about Five years cos Liverpool are shit now

  88. Antgrad Says:

    Statistics can be shown to prove pretty much anything you want and simply by showing the table at the top doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ve been hard-done by. You could even look at it this way. “Arsenal must be the dirtiest team in the league as even though they have only committed 240 fouls they’ve received 44 yellow cards. The few fouls they do commit must be really bad to be carded so quickly.”

  89. Blog Head Says:

    Antgrad,

    Thats arsenal aint it. There off there tits. Its funny as fuck

  90. Goodplaya Says:

    Antgrad - statistics can indeed prove anything, though I think it fair to say I have gone for some fairly straightforward ones.

    And the point you make about us being the dirtiest is indeed possible, though it is a point I disagree with, as the first paragraph of this post made clear…

    Goonerak - where did you get those stats?

  91. papayoyo Says:

    maybe our problem is we respect the refs too much. check chelsea players always overcrowding the refs with the least… though i don’t subscribe to that, i believe sometimes we are penalised for our good attitude to get the game going.
    check how many penalties the refs have refused to blow for us in this season.

  92. papayoyo Says:

    guys, why do you think they are always accusing of spoiling the english game? we are being punished for not playing too many englishmen… so then they get david dein out of the way, they lobby fifa to bring this compulsory nationality thing and they frustrate us on the field of play. check gilberto’s red. check heskey’s elbow on djourou. wasn’t it more serious than what got rooney a red in pre-season?
    anyway, we(gunners) will continue to market the game for them(the english)and i believe they owe a lot to mr. wenger for that

  93. Blog Head Says:

    papayoyo,

    Do you ever watch any games?

  94. papayoyo Says:

    goodplaya, good work done. could you please tell me how many fouls tugay made before being booked?

  95. papayoyo Says:

    blog head, go ahead and ask whichever question you want to ask… but i will answer your question first. yes i watch all arsenal games,

  96. papayoyo Says:

    blog head… i stand for correction if i have not been truthful about any comments i have made. so please could you come on. i believe it’s all for the good of the game

  97. Icegunner Says:

    FA and referees are Racists!!!!

  98. papayoyo Says:

    icegunner, i find your allegations a bit too strong but honestly, i am tempted to side with you because the fa and the refs have given all of us the cause to believe so. it’s a shame.

  99. Richard Says:

    To the various critics, we not suggesting these stats cost us the last 3 games, we are saying from an Arsenal point of view they represent a worrying trend. This only made worse when you have a linesman who claims to see something that 30 tv cameras didnt and yet his evidence still stands up in an appeal, his word against 30 cameras, this cannot be right!

  100. Antgrad Says:

    Icegunner, yeah you must be right. The American, Aussie, Frenchman, New Zealander, 2 South Africans, Turk, Norwegian, Congolesian, Georgian and their Welsh manager that beat you last night may not agree.

  101. sillysecondyella Says:

    What we want and what we get is, I guess, two different things.
    So long 06/07, hello 07/08.

  102. Icegunner Says:

    Racism is maybe a strong word but clichy’s yellow is a good example, one tackle then straight yellow. how many tackles does Gerrard have to do before he gets a yellow or McCann for all that matters.

  103. Goonerak Says:

    It’s funny how the media go mad every time an Arsenal player is sent off or the team get involved in a ruck.

    For some reason they choose to ignore Chelsea’s discipliary record and the 4 mass brawls they have been involved in in the last 10 years.

  104. marcus Says:

    I’ve never posted here before. I just wanted to respond to this point:

    “Icegunner, yeah you must be right. The American, Aussie, Frenchman, New Zealander, 2 South Africans, Turk, Norwegian, Congolesian, Georgian and their Welsh manager that beat you last night may not agree.”

    Having watched Arsenal for only the last 3 years from my US vantage point (I’m Brazilian by birth, Arsenal is the first English/European club I’ve followed), it’s become clear to me that the English attitude toward Arsenal is that it is an interloper in the rarefied provincial mentality of English football. It doesn’t matter that Blackburn has non-English players and coach, nor does it matter that Walcott and Hoyte are English. If you play for what is considered a “proper English club” and esp. when you play against Arsenal, then you are automatically an “honorary Englishman” - just as Walcott and Hoyte by virtue of playing for Arsenal are not considered “proper” Englishmen. C. Ronaldo is more of an Englishmen to English eyes than is Walcott because he plays for the most proper and most authentic of all English clubs. That will end immediately if/when he leaves the club.

    Further, it’s very clear to me that this provincialism extends to the unspoken assumption that any Welsh/Irish/Scots are “honorary” Englishmen in comparison to any Arsenal player, and in comparison to “real” foreigners like Africans, Frenchmen, South Americans, etc.

    For the short amount of time that I’ve followed Arsenal I’ve been trying to understand the hysteria among the English towards the club and towards Wenger. I can’t find any parallel situation anywhere. Lyon in France is despised by large numbers of the French but for entirely different reasons. I can’t imagine the same thing happening in Brazil. I know a few clubs in Brazil with several non-Brazilian players–two with non-Brazilian coaches–and it’s simply not an issue.

    Here in the US in “soccer,” American football and all the other major sports foreign players and non-American coaches are plentiful — and again, it simply is not an issue.

    After just a few years of watching what people here call the EPL, all on my own (with no help from blogs like this), I’ve developed a distrust of the FA, English referees generally but especially when Arsenal plays. Every single game I expect some major referee screw up.

    Everything Arsenal says or does is viewed thru a prism of bigotry that suddenly lifts when other managers and players from other clubs commit the same sins. Apologies for the long post.

  105. Blog Head Says:

    marcus,

    All clubs are despised. Its only Arsenal who think there more despised then anyone else and constantly moan about it.

    So, Ironically, they’ve brought it all on themselves

  106. bro Says:

    Blog Head, I think you’re not being honest but obviously prejudiced against Arsenal. This is clear from all you have written. The statistics are very clear, as they always say, “NUMBERS DON’T LIE”. If you follow the media, you would have sensibly agree there is some truth to all the complaints, though you may not support Arsenal. Question is, will you be honest?

  107. Michael Says:

    To Marcus,

    Thats a beautiful post. Hit the nail square on the head and pulled no punches, man! Instead of absorbing and learning from Arsenal’s style, they lash out at it simply because its not English!
    Its gotten to where the English fans and media need to ask what kind of football they want the “richest” league in the world to advertise and promote, and unfortunately right now the signs are anything but positive.
    It is my honest belief that if Wenger were doing what he’s doing at Arsenal elsewhere outside the UK, he would receive a bucketload more respect. And this is a shame because its turning me off the English game as a whole right now.
    But I believe we will rise above all this and conquer; we still have a young side and this will strengthen our resolve to win things, as well as give us valuable experience.
    And when we do it will be all the sweeter for the struggle it took.

  108. ALFRED CUTAJAR Says:

    VERY DISSAPONTED FA YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO YOUR JOB TO YOUR COUNTRY AND THE WHOLE ENGLISH FOTBALL NATION,I WAS BROUGHT UP THINKING ALWAYS OF THE FAIR ENGLISH SYSTEM,BUT AFTER WHAT I SEEN THIS LAST WEEK OR SO ,YOU FA SO CALLED FAIR PLAY MOB YOU STINK AND I MEAN
    YOU STINK BLIND HERRY COULD SEEN BETTER AND FAIR SHAME ON YOU FAYOU ARE SO INCOMPITENT JUST LIKE THE CROP OF REFS. YOU GOT AT THE MOMENT THEY ARE S..T VERY BAD VERY BAD

  109. The Saint Says:

    We really, really, really need video replays for ALL goal-line and penalty incidents. Give each team 2 chances per game to challenge these types of decisions. It’s very clear that the refs and asst. refs just simply cannot Hackect/hack it in todays’ game and even though this is very obvious to everyone with a tv set, they think they can get away with their gross incompetence by scaring managers into submission with threats of punishment so that we can all see the incompetence/injustice but we have to shut up about it. This spells gross negligence on the part of the F.A. and if anyone is responsible for bringing the game into disrepute, it’s them and the very, very poor refs and and asst. refs with their poor performances which they like to pretend never happens because they get together to protect their collective rice bowls. Nowhere else is such behaviour permitted; if you are an incompetent manager, you get sacked; if you are an incompetent player, you either improve quickly or get sacked. If you are an incompetent official, people cannot state the obvious so that you can go on being blissfully incompetent. So much for English fairness which perhaps was always a myth anyway.

  110. Graham Says:

    just was looking around and noticed this vid:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WqOheBsogw

    they clearly foul us about 6 times in a few minutes, same as they were doing for much of the game.

  111. Phillip Three Says:

    Not to mention the cynical physical and tactical fouls that were pre-meditated to occur just inside BR half, to stop Arsenal’s build up and were spread across the whole BR team.

    Opponents play Rugby against Arsenal. The 30 fouls is bad enough but it is the type of foul that is really troublesome.

    As soon as they get over the half way line foul them. It appears innocuous and innocent because it is not in a so-called danger area when in fact it just kills Arsenal’s fluidity.

    I actually got the feeling Poll was laughing every time they committed a tactical foul as if he knew what they were doing was just inside the interpretation rather than the spirit of the laws.

    It is one reason both matches were disappointing. Foul after foul after free-kick and free-kick. Of course given the fouls are around the centre circle there is less danger from the free-kick and less chance for the ball to dip, swerve, bend and cause havoc to defences. You then get big clearances which further break up Arsenal’s play only for another foul, a writhing player on the ground, the commotion around the free-kick and over and over again.

    Yes the BR management should be shot for bringing the game into disrepute not the other way around. Arsenal try to play fantasy football that is loved all around the world but they get hauled before the bench. And teams who play ugly and cynical with tactical fouls to spoil their play get applauded.

    Is the strategy of pre-meditated tactical fouls is too sophisticated for the FA to understand.

    If they realise that the Premier League is Britain’s greatest export and in particular Arsenal’s play then they should really do something about tactical fouls on Arsenal.

  112. divo Says:

    Agree with The Saint, 109. The last few games proved that Wenger is absolute right when he repeatedly asked that TV replays be used to help referees, especially with this latest incident. Makes you wonder why the FA is unwillingness. Maybe we now have the answer loud and clear.

  113. Antgrad Says:

    Having got time to make a long post in reply to marcus’ beautifully crafted post, but as blog head says it’s not just you that thinks your despised. All clubs think there’s some sort of agenda against them. We went 6 games without winning earlier in the season and there was a really controversial decision against us in every single one. Was it mentioned in the press? Not even slightly. Is everyone biased against us? Probably not. You need to get over your paranoia.

  114. josepj Says:

    I will thank the writer of this article and all football lovers in England and the whole world at all.The most important thing or a question is that ,can we put these statistics to the tables of the FA head?.if it is posible let us do it before they destroy the english football.Am in Africa a country called Uganda where football is so much loved but is not booming because of poverty and corruption.Now if corruption has stated entering into your football governing body your in very big trouble belive me or not.We have been watching your games aganist these team arsenal and we have found that their must be something aganist the FA and this team .we dont know the cause but may be it is because being manged by a foreing coach or it is full of foreing players.We in africa we want foreign playes nad foreign coaches to teach us football but it seem in England you dont want foreign coaches to teach you ,and it seem England playes they know how to play soccer but they dont have the skills of football and these will cost them not to take the WORLD CUP for the next 40 YEARS.The only team in England which can teach you some thing you remain with to take the world cup is that team you are cheating evry game .and what is that meaning killing your football but not developing it.Here is some advise 1 change the refering methods ,England has the bad referees i have ever seen in this world and they appear to do that mostly on only one team “pliz qaute me wright i said mostly.”have you guys noticed that linesmen and refs have costed Arsenal the last two games in england?.look at graham polle in FA cup look at drogaba goal in the CC cup final it appears to be so bad ,and if happens that your doing that in africa ,you may led to loss of lives of more than 300 people .And another thing i dont know weather all of you your from England but why do use the obsin and abusive langluage?.pliz editor dont allow such kind of people on your website
    because you were discusing on a very important idear not only to Arsenal suppoters but even to other supporters of different teams .God be wth you all.

  115. Notadive Says:

    Just to point out to the Blackburn fan that Aliadiere did not dive. The only reason it was at all debatable as a penalty was not the issue of contact (which there clearly was) but the issue of whether he’d have gotten the ball. The odds are he’d never have reached the ball, so probably not a pen, but we’ve seen them given.

    However just because it wasn’t a pen, doesn’t make it a dive. The contact was there, the player had no choice but to go down. It’s unsurprising that the only pundit to claim he went down theatrically is a former Spurs player.

  116. Give Me (Blog) Head Says:

    @ Blog Head

    I think you’re gorgeous. So witty and erudite. I bet you’re handsome too. And you probably pack a large lunchbox. Want to meet up? I’m free all weekend. Mmmmmm.

  117. Cheshire Gooner Says:

    Raw statistics don’t mean much but they are certainly enough to start asking some questions. Personally I don’t buy the idea that there is any sort of conspiracy against Arsenal as such. It’s in the nature of fans to be biased and paranoid - I certainly am - but Arsenal are the team all the neutrals and many fans of other teams like to watch. They are also not without influence in the FA. So why should there be bias?

    The answer, I think, may have been given by other posters: institutional racism / discrimination from officials because Arsenal have high proportions of black and foreign players.

    It’s interesting to look at the 1114 yellow cards issued so far this season in the premiership (see http://www.andysstats.co.uk). If you categorise the players as UK&Ireland or Foreign and Black or White then you can compare the numbers of cards received by players in each group. Allowing for some minor errors in my data (I confess to not knowing the nationality or ethnic make-up of every player at Sheffield Utd or Watford etc.) and the fact that it does not cover those who have not had any cards; what I found was that black and white players received cards at almost identical rates but foreign players definitely got more than UK ones: 3.26 each on average compared to 2.60.

    Now there could be reasons for this. Maybe foreigners are dirtier or more petulant or maybe their style of play does not sit well with English refs. Nevertheless it does offer some support to the view that Arsenal are being penalised for having so many foreign players and at least asks another question of the FA - and maybe also of Arsenal about the team building strategy.

  118. Tom Says:

    A re-organised version of the table:

    Team Fouls Yellow Foul-yellow ratio
    Arsenal 240 44 5.45
    Aston Villa 362 33 10.96
    Blackburn 382 61 6.26
    Bolton 382 59 6.47
    Charlton 318 44 7.22
    Chelsea 312 43 7.25
    Everton 402 48 8.37
    Fulham 367 47 7.80
    Liverpool 327 29 11.27
    Manchester City 381 40 9.52
    Manchester Utd 307 40 7.67
    Middlesbrough 365 49 7.44
    Newcastle 346 56 6.17
    Portsmouth 366 37 9.89
    Reading 296 29 10.2
    Sheffield Utd 329 47 7
    Tottenham 320 39 8.2
    Watford 397 36 11.02
    West Ham 382 59 6.47
    Wigan 352 52 6.76

    I am of the opinion that we Gooners cannot blame referees for losing matches but that there is something under the surface which plagues Arsenal and stems from the FA.

    The FA cannot take criticism, if you criticise them you will be fined/banned/etc. The English media seem to be in the FA’s pocket and will not run anything that may question the integrity of the English FA.

    What annoys me most about the Carling Cup Final is that Adebayor has been punished for something he did not do just because he is Black. The linesmen’s thoughts: “A Black guy punched Wayne Bridge” (Emmanuel Adebayor is Black and was part of the fracas so he was blaimed)

  119. Tom Says:

    Grr.. The table didnt work..
    ignore that

  120. Cheshire Gooner Says:

    My go at the table tom was trying to do (?)

    Club Fouls Yellows Fouls / Yellow
    Arsenal 240 44 5.45
    Newcastle 346 56 6.17
    Blackburn 382 61 6.26
    Bolton 382 59 6.47
    West Ham 382 59 6.47
    Wigan 352 52 6.76
    Sheffield Utd 329 47 7.00
    Charlton 318 44 7.22
    Chelsea 312 43 7.25
    Middelesbrough 365 49 7.44
    Man Ure 307 40 7.67
    Fulham 367 47 7.80
    Spurs 320 39 8.20
    Everton 402 48 8.37
    Man City 381 40 9.52
    Portsmouth 366 37 9.89
    Reading 296 29 10.20
    Villa 362 33 10.96
    Watford 397 36 11.02
    Liverpool 327 29 11.27

  121. Bob Says:

    As much as I hate to disagree with fellow gooners all those stats merely point out the blindingly obvious: no one in our team can tackle properly.

  122. Gavaldinho Says:

    Stop your bloody moaning. You get away with as much cheating as you get in yellows, its swings and roundabouts, Fabregas should have been sent off in the final, he caused it to flair up. Van Pussie is a diving little cunt and the rest cant tackle. If the opponent breaks and your players are out of position you fall to the floor and look for gentlemenly conduct and the ball to be put out of play for whoever to then get straight back up and into position cancellin out the advantage to the opposition when surely it would be more gentlemanly to get up off the floor and stop rolling around like you’ve been shot! Your all wankers! Ha ha and your outta two cups in a week! Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  123. arese Says:

    oh shut up!!!…Arsenal are made of a bunch of bad losers, managed by a bad looser who never see anything unless he wanted to…selcetive eyesight!!!

    less foul commited because the ref help you lot!

  124. *Respects Highbury Says:

    CHESHIRE GOONER hit the nail bang on the head with the last post: anybody who thinks that the FA is not institutionally racist is just completely deluded.
    Did anybody see Steven Gerrard’s hilarious comedy dive against Sheffield United? Where was the outcry from the media over it? He is white and English, no matter.
    Anybody remember how Didier Zokora was pilloried for his dive against Pompey? Now compare this to the subsequent glossing over after Rooney cheated Arsenal in the 50th game of our unbeaten run at OT: Rooney is white and English so again, no mention.
    Does anybody remember the red card Gilberto Silva was brandished by Roberto Styles at Ewood Park? Now compare this with Fat Frank’s outrageous foul on Xabi Alonso at Scumford Bridge 2 seasons ago, in which he put Alonso out for 4 months with? Again though, Fat Ginsters boy is white and English. Gilberto is black and Brazilian.
    Jens Lehmann is certainly far from equanimous at the best of times and yes, he is mouthy. But how many times is Rooney allowed to utter profanities at the ref? Does anybody remember the fact that Paul Scholes made at the very least SIX clear and bookable offences when ManUre played Sp*rs at Shite Harte Lane? Does anybody remember the raking TooGay gave Cesc at Ewood Park?

    These are not isolated incidents, they are consistently deliberate failures by the FA authorities. The agenda is so transparent it is untrue. And it is wrong.

    As an African Gooner mentioned somewhere, it seems that England continues to suffer from an Empire-esque hangover and continues to uphold 19th-century neocolonial notions; whereby “no foreigner can ever teach we, Grand Britannia a thing about the game we invented”

    Well I have news for the FA and England: for as long as they refuse to lie, promote flagrant xenophobia and fail to uphold the principles of the Beautiful Game; this will only be to the detriment of this hilarious national team, that has not won a thing of note in excess of 40 years.

    In Italy, despite certain racist elements and their fascist past, they were much quicker to embrace the foreign element into their game: John Charles and our very own Liam Brady, influenced Juventus greatly. In Milan, Marcel Desailly, Gullit, Rijkaard and Van Basten revolutionized their game.

    Please remember that were we to discuss the best Prem players of the last 10-20 years we would be talking Zola, Bergkamp, Henry, Cantona, Vieira, Van Nistlerooy, Keane…..
    Perhaps only Shearer could be added to such an equation.

    The FA LIED over the Adebayor thing. It shows just how much of a joke the FA is that there it is an “institution” with absolutely no recourse for appeal, bar….wait for it…the FA ITSELF! BRILLIANT!

    Undemocratic, unelected, unnecessary, unjust, xenophobic, racist and spurious to the extremes.

    And yes, there is certainly a large racist undertone to the game.
    Referees like to castigate players e.g. Adebayor is punished for resembling something “big and black”. The lino thought “they all look the same don’t they”. Pathetic and backward.

    The media cover this up and talk up British managers and use any opportunity to rebuke Wenger, who is perfectly entitled to question the integrity of the game in the UK, as the FA are now proved to the world to be racist, cheating liars.
    It’s undeniable.

    P.S DANISH GOONER Martin Atkinson is a “lort dommer”! Hvad sige du man?!! This is the ref (I believe) that turned down a cast-iron penalty at home to Blackburn’s talentless cloggers, at the Emirates in the FA Cup a few weeks ago. Rubbish.

    All the refs are shit.

  125. simon Says:

    moan, bleat, moan, whinge, moan, whine, bleat, moan, sulk, sulk, whine, whine, whine

    its just about everybody elses fault that arsenal are shite at the moment

    you bunch of paranoid tossers led by the biggest sore losing, whinging, whining ‘its everybodies elses fault but mine’ prick there is.

    your on a losing run cos your crap. end of

  126. Antgrad Says:

    Well at least “Respects Highbury” gives us all a laugh with his non-sensical whinging.

    Blackburn played at Arsenal a few weeks ago and I’m sure you all remember won 6-2. Mr Wenger managed to see (he actually can when it suits him) that Blackburn “had a go”, played good attacking football in patches and complimented them on it. They still lost 6-2.

    Now Mr Hughes doesn’t like this and so when Blackburn draw the “mighty” Arsenal in the Cup and have seven first teamers out injured he decides not to give Arsenal the opportunity to score a hatful but play for a draw in the hope that some of these players are back for the replay. The plan works to perfection and when Blackburn win the subsequent replay surely Mr Hughes gets credit for the “mighty” Arsenal being unable to score against his “talentless cloggers”? No, according to Respects Highbury the FA must be bent, all refs are shite, blah, blah, blah.

    And you wonder why despite the fantastic football they play Arsenal aren’t liked as much as they should be? Don’t hold up the pathetically easily played Rascist Card, but try looking at your attitude when things don’t go your way.

    Oh yeah, Talentless Cloggers 1, Mighty Arsenal 0.

  127. glam Says:

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  128. The Saint Says:

    Oh, I see, our team can’t tackle and so we get exponentially more yellow cards than our opponents; so that’s why Paul Scholes, Robbie Savage and Tugay get so many cards….

  129. The Saint Says:

    Senderos does exactly the same thing to Yakubu as Emerton does to Ljungberg but the former results in a penalty and a red card but the latter in nothing. Refs are biased against Arsenal QED.

  130. Scots Gunner. Says:

    I felt we were fuckin robbed against Chelsea…Drogba was clearly offside for his first goal Baptista was denied a stonewall penalty, Adebeyor was never offside when he ran through on goal and that cunt of a linesman who ran up to the ref to send off Adebeyor for no reason- is a disgrace. A couple of days later fast forward to Blackburn, and we get the shit kicked out of us up and down the park all completely un-punished. And Poll the worst ref in Britain didn’t call 2 penalties for us. The second one how that wasn’t a penalty i will never ever know.
    Not only did a bad referiing decision in the champs league final cost us- we’re now getting robbed fucking blind domestically and i’m glad Arsene isn’t standing down…take it where ever you need to take it AW we’re behind you, standing against the clear injustices against this club.

  131. Arseblog - “It’s fuckin’ excellent”…an Arsenal blog. » Blog Archive » Furious Arsene rails at ‘Sky Sports News justice’. Says:

    [...] Add to the Adebayor incident the fact that Arsenal do receive more yellow cards per foul than any other team - as illustrated by Goodplaya -  and his goat has been well and truly gotten. Labelling the aftermath of the brawl and the subsequent bans handed out as ‘Sky Sports News justice’ shows exactly what he thinks of the whole thing. He says he wants the truth and the strength of his language and insistence that he can explain his position means he’ll be getting a chance to tell the FA, up close and personal, exactly what he’s thinking. [...]

  132. geirsan Says:

    What would be very interesting to see is the same statstics applied to the games Arsenal play in ie. Arsenal foul - opposition foul - cards handed, so we can see what happen in the individual games. That would maybe be a truer statistic…

  133. Cheshire Gooner Says:

    Just for the sake of fairness: England players actually got more bookings on average (3.5 compared to 2.9 for the rest and for the current England first team it’s more like 3.9). However, the numbers are pretty small compared to all players so one shouldn’t read too much into the result. As with goodplaya’s original analysis you really need to know how many fouls they committed. So, just as a final snippet which may indicate bias against Arsenal or bias in favour of England or may not mean anything: if you compare Sol Campbell and Kolo Toure , Sol has committed 16 fouls so far and got 1 yellow while Kolo for his 21 fouls got 7 yellows. 16 fouls per yellow vs. 3. Does that square up with anybody’s view of the relative dirtiness of the two players?

  134. marcus Says:

    dont you have to take out bookings for dissent in order to finf true bookings to fouls ratio?

    Also was any action taken for neanderthal chavs throwing stuff at our players at corners or is it ok to chuck vegetables?

  135. Tall lyver ikke - Arsene Wenger og bruk av statistikk at SÃ¥ var det sagt… Says:

    [...] Det som får Wenger til å rase, er det han påstår er løgnaktige rapporter fra linjemannen, samt forskjellsbehandling mellom Arsenal og andre lag. Arsenal er i følge statistikker laget av Arsenal-bloggeren Goodplaya det laget i Premier League som har laget minst frispark. Likevel har laget fått flere gule kort enn noen andre i serien, sett antall frispark opp mot antallet gule kort. [...]

  136. SpankyGooner Says:

    Cheshire Gooner - an didnt sol himself say he noticed how he went from being one of the cleanest players in the game when he was at spurs to being one of the dirtyest as soon as he arrived at highbury? cant remember when it was exactly but think this was after he’d been sent off, an not for the first time for us, an this is going back a few years now so this isnt anything new, its just becoming a joke!! yet another useless linesman couldve cost us today re aliadires goal that was wrongly disallowed. WE ALWAYS PLAY 12 MEN!

  137. rexes Says:

    just a thought. i wonder if their is any stat on the (+ve) vs (-ve) commentries about Arsenal made by skysports,and a comparison with other premiership clubs.That would be intresting.

  138. J’Accuse!: Inspector Wenger Compiles His Case - Arsenal News - The Offside - Arsenal News Says:

    [...] The good detective’s postulation is buoyed by stats like these, compiled by Goodplaya. Follow the link to see the unusual yellow card to foul ratio for the Gunners. [...]

  139. aRSESNE Obscene Says:

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  140. James Says:

    One of the most redick-u-larse things I have ever read! Manchester United are not far off you and look how well they are doing, you’re just trying to make excuses! nothing can be done about the poor reffinf in English football let alone any other country, just get on with eeet! Man Utd for the treble!

  141. houser Says:

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    You win games by scoring more goals than the other teams…remember?

    Wenger has instituted a mentality of not being able to lose gracefully and it rubs off on players and fans.
    The refs make mistakes, that’s part and parcel of football as it i rigged now and will be until we do what the Yanks do in American footie and have replays for refs off the field.
    I am not sure about this…videorefs or not…
    But I am sure that understanding that refs make mistakes does not need stats to be proven. We all know that…andit does notchange where you are in the table…
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